Sargent & Greenleaf, Rochester, New York - 4 movements, Model N and special order N

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A. Model N, (later model #6405). c. 1901. Attractive slim model with S&G's largest standard 'M' sized movements. No drop bolt, equipped with a trigger that would be used to actuate other locks or could be used with an external bolt dogging device See safe door photo below. 4 1/8"h x 10"w x 3 1/8"d. Case # N-85, movements #1895, #1850, #1747, #1739. file 55



The components of both the 72, (left) and 96 hour, (right) movements are identical. I have examined all of the individual wheels as well as the spring barrel diameters and they are all the same. The planting of the wheel works in the 96 hour movement are spread out a bit more in the vertical direction to take advantage of the taller movement plate. The spring barrel sizes are identical.

B. Model N, (later special order model #6405) c. 1908. This is a rarer, super-sized version of the largest sized standard model shown in B. It has an extended duration of 96 hours verses the standard 72 hours. Its dimensions in depth and length are the same as the standard model, but the case as well as the movements are an additional 1/2" high. The two comparison photos show it against the standard N lock as well as the two movements (3 1/4" x 2 1/4", and 3 3/4" x 2 1/4") . This may have been a special order for a particular type of safe model, but most likely was ordered for a bank vault outside the United States since major banks in the US did not close for more than three consecutive days and a time lock of this size would only have been used on the largest commercial vaults of the day, and not a private vault. The movement wheels in the larger movement are bigger and while I have not examined the spring, my guess would be that this is also stronger to enable these movements to have the the extended duration that would have been associated with this special lock as well as to operate the larger automatic bolt motor associated with the larger vault. The additional 1/2" of movement plate height allows dial indicator hand to be positioned at the top rather than attached to the left hand corner movement pillar. This is the only example I've seen of this special order 96 hour time lock. 4 1/2"h x 10"w x 3"d. Case and bolt # N-66, specially sized 'R' sized movements nearly consecutively numbered movements #846, #847, #849, #851.  file 120

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First two photos below shows what appears to be a Sargent and Greenleaf type Model N time lock in a large vault door.  


These two photos show a converted S&G Model N with later Swiss-made Diebold movements. Those movements are a much smaller format than the original S&G 'M' sized movements and so required changes to the movement mounts of ten the snubber bar needs modification, but in this example the original was preserved. This is an interesting example of a fairly large time lock on a smaller vault door. 

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