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Sargent & Greenleaf, Rochester New York - 2 movements, Model #5

The Sargent and Greenleaf Model #5 looks nearly identical to the Model #4. The differences apply to the slightly smaller case size as well as some of the case attributes.


Front elevation.

Interior view with movement numbered 1486. 

This photo shows the difference in the size of a Model #4, left and Model#5, right. The Model #4, as determined by the serial numbers, was made the year before in 1899. Notice the difference in the hinge design and size. All Model #4's had this smaller hinge throughout their production run since their introduction in 1878, while the Model #5 had the larger hinge design throughout, but there is no positive proof of this since there is there is only one known example.

The door for the typical Model #4 is the common S&G clamshell style, although there have been some models equipped with the flush door frame as has the Model #5 here.

This photo shows an interesting and perplexing feature. The Model #4 to the left has the typical bolt hole collar that was introduced early in the S&G production run around 1876. The Model #5 on the right has the initial early design. That design only allowed for some alignment in the boltwork vs. the case in the horizontal direction and featured for approximately a year, while the collar allowed for movement in all directions. The perplexing issue is that the Model #5 was ordered from S&G according to their logbook in November of 1900. Why the throwback to the pre-1877 design?

A larger S&G Model #3 is shown, left, with the Model #5 to the right showing the identical hinge design and size.

 

The case stamped #1 as well as the original movement number in pencil is clearly shown on the inside back of the case in the first photo. Next the number 1 is stamped where it should be on the dogging bolt.

This photo shows the original S&G order logbook showing this lock ordered on November 9, 1900 with case number 1 and movement number 1486 and ordered by the J.M. Mossman Co. just as on the original glass etching. The logbook I have goes from 1890 to 1907 with no other Model #5 entries.

 One can see from the 1907 catalog page illustrated above, the line of S&G time locks designated under the single-digit numbering system, excluding number 6 which was the last in the single digit designation. Lock models made after this had letter designations until S&G went to a four-digit designation sometime in the late 1920's. Notice both the Model #4 and Model #5 appear.

 The same catalog shows the case dimensions for each model of lock. 

 

This page comes from a catalog, that while undated does have a price list insert dated 1929 and its page designations do match up with the catalog, so I am assuming the change from the mix of single digit and letter designations switched to the four digit designation in 1929. The Model #5 became #6203. Little did safe and time lock makers know at the time of this publication that 1929 would be the last year that there would be any significant sales of new safes or time locks until after WWII. 

According to the author of American Genius, John Erroll as of the publication of his book in 2006, stated that there had been no records of, nor any examples of, the Model #5 having been produced, even though their catalogs had them listed. Mr. Erroll indicates that the Model #5 was introduced in 1901 and was available until 1927.¹ But it was available at least a year earlier, and was listed in the 1929 catalog and price list. The dimensions of the Model #5 is thought to have stayed consistent throughout the 1900 to 1927 period, but the Model #4 did change slightly from 4 5/8" x 4 5/8" x 2 1/4" to 4 1/2" x 4 7/16" x 2 11/16".

One might call this exercise of description between the Model #4 and Model#5 as a distinction without a difference. But this is the sort of thing that makes serious collecting exciting. Without the information provided by the logbook and the catalog entries one could make the argument that these were not distinct models but the evidence proves otherwise.

Model #5. November 9, 1900, sold to J.M. Mossman co., 4 5/16" x 4 1/4" x 2 1/4", case #1, movement #1486. file 341

(1) American Genius Nineteenth Century Bank Locks and Time Locks, David Erroll & John Erroll, p. 197. 

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